More The Gun Nuts. I've been having great luck with them lately in several calibers. Increasing velocity with larger doses of IMR 4831 and IMR 4350 pushed groups just over MOA. What I wanted to tell Mr. Hankins was that a 1.5” grouping rifle is nothing to be ashamed of. Our .280 AIs have an ultrahard head, and a thicker web which allows them to tolerate high pressure. Nevertheless, many shooters have ignored his advice, feeling the slight velocity gain with 150-grain bullets makes the 270 A.I. Don't give up in the 270Win. The 260 A.I? The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150gn & above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. and 7mm-08 Rem. JD338 Post subject: Re: .280 A.I. Best group (0.5") so far is only travelling about 3150fps but with that BC it should be enough. By knowing my trajectory curves I could hold slightly over my quarry's back at 400 yards and drop it into the boiler room. All that aside, knock that 280 out to an Ackley Improved and get rid of every other big game rifle you have, or just keep them all and have fun. Helps stabilize them. I hesitate to call hunting a game because it is not a frivolous pastime. Poll Question: For bigger than deer and up to DG, which one is more better :). Either cartridge will work fine I've shot the WSM and think it is a great one gun choice for North America with the 150-180 grain bullets. I have a 270 it just has seen better days. It also utilizes the.30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to.284, its bullet is exactly.007 inch larger than the.270. Looking for a new toy....i reload so no problem either way...not shooting strings but looking for some smackdown power and hunting accuracy. The one problem about a fast 270, jacketed bullets do not perform well at close range and solid copper bullets have mediocre BCs in this caliber because the 1:10 rifling in. Die Patrone eignet sich ausgezeichnet für die Gebirgsjagd auf Gams, Steinwild und Rotwild. *Most Accurate Load C Compressed Load 1. There are faster .284 cartridges out there than the .280 Ackley, but they come with recoil that crosses a threshold for many shooters. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. A Few Kind Words About the .280 Remington. Jan 17, 2017 #21 S. specneeds Member. It is our most honest and natural way to gather sustenance, both material and spiritual. How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. The 260 Rem. I hunt elk, mule deer, antelope, sheep, and everything inbetween. I went off a 2.6" 100 yd zero … Lots of great food for thought....thank you all. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. That’s boiler room, folks. I certainly enjoy the performance of my 280 A.I.s, and that isn’t a major step above 280 Remington performance. I load 64g MRP behind the 140g Sierra and this is safe in my rifle;it will stay right with my 7mm mag. Warning: Only use Peterson Cartridge Co. casings in firearms in good condition, designed, marked, and chambered for this cartridge. That's my concern on recoil figure with the 280 load 140's or 150's. The older wildcat has several names including 280 Ackley Improved 40°, 280 Rem Improved 40°, 280 Imp 40°, 280 Ackley, 280 Rem Imp, and more. and 7mm-08 Rem. Sambubba. Light barrels sometimes benefit from full length glass bedding. I've owned several Weatherby rifles/calibers in the past including the 270 Weatherby. Zero a modern cartridge with efficient bullets 2.5” to 3" high at 100 yards and you stay inside the 10" kill circle from muzzle to 300 yards. .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. Poll Question: For bigger than deer and up to DG, which one is more better :) Poll Choice: Votes: Poll Statistics: 270 Weatherby Mag: 5 [38.46%] 280 Ackley Improved Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved:  the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. I’m also having a 25-06 A.I. The .280 is one of my ole favorites. Including fly swatters. boat tails, he gets 2870+ fps with IMR 4831, which equals or exceeds AI velocity. In the heavier bullets (150gn & above) of similar design the .280 … bullets setting sail at 4,000 fps from 1/16 MOA rifles guided by Swarovski dS super scopes are not required to enjoy hunting nor even to bring home the venison. Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:38 pm . But I have this 700 Ti that I put a factory mountain rifle barrel in 280 that had been punched Ackley. 5 Great Scout Rifles. Üblich sind Geschossgewichte von 120 grs bis 175 grs (7,8 - 11,3 g). If I want a 7-08 I will have to order it or watch gunbroker. Or at least one of them. Mr. Spomer has hunted with sling shots, spears, recurve bows, compound bows, air guns, cap lock muzzleloaders, iron-sight revolvers and autoloaders, 19th century lever-actions, 20th century scoped 30-06 bolt-actions and autoloaders, some of today's most elaborate super rifles and scopes, and everything in between. The 7mm-08 AI? Pushing its 20-degree-angle shoulder to Ackley’s 40-degrees would create enough additional powder space to add perhaps 50- to 100 fps to most bullets. Out of what I'm looking at, it comes chambered in 308, 280 AI, 30-06, and 270. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: I’m afraid I don’t have encouraging advice for Mr. Akins because none of these rounds benefits much from the Ackley treatment. Die .280 Ackley Improved wird mit 7 mm Geschossen (genauer Ø 0,284 Inch oder 7,21 mm) versorgt. And that 308 can kill deer/elk out to 800+ if you're up to it. As for the old 270 Winchester, Ackley considered it already borderline overbored in its native state, so didn’t recommend giving it his A.I. It's not the size of the campfire; it's the quality of the company. However the ballistic coefficient of equal weight bullets favors .270 caliber bullets over 7mm (.284) bullets of similar design. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors © document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Loading Sierra 160 gr. Re: .280 Ackley Improved any better than other 7mms? But what I see on your target is often due to a hot barrel. You have two of the best big game rifles ever made. Go. The .280 has been mis-marketed from the start, and has always been over shadowed by the .270 Win on one side and the 7mm Rem mag on the other. Several aspects make the .280 Imp. That took care of 95% of all my shots for decades. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. It's a very capable round. Obviously, check bedding. built by, Speaking of the 280 A.I., reader D. Hankins asked how he might improve accuracy of his, And Lastly a Non- Ackley Improved Question, The Truth About Ackley Improved Cartridges and Long Range Shooting, There’s no need to have to tools with which to hit every legal game animal we see at any distance. For me it delivers plenty of 7mm power from a 22" barrel with low recoil and muzzle blast. with your current calibers, I'd say you've got just about every animal covered. The 260 AI? Couldn't help but want to compare to the latest 6.5 design. In all honestly except for a current model Vanguard S2 SS in 257 I've I found a 280 AI in a kimber and couple 270 wsm. All Rights Reserved. J. Frischkorn read my Swarovski dS super scope (rangefinder, electronic, and digital — you can read details in this blog) and that prompted this question: “Prior to using these new “super scopes” how good were you at range estimation, Ron? Mr. Ackley had a lot of influence on me in the earlier days and out of respect for his help, most of my .280 Imp. The true beauty of this round is its versatility. Unlike the.270 Winchester, the.280 Remington has been struggling almost since its inception in 1957. That level of consistency should keep all bullets inside a 7.5” circle at 500 yards. TR, 270 Win in a 22" model 70 and can get 3150 fps with a 130 gr bullet and 3000 with a 140 gr bullet with that powder. I'd definitely try other bullets. Hunting. I just was wondering how much of a gain would it be to have the extra 300 fps for range and wind conditions. The.270 Winchester uses.277″ bullets while the.280 Remington,.280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum all use slightly larger.284″ bullets. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". Even if you never hunt anything but steel plates with them, super scopes and super rifles throwing super bullets are interesting and fun. If it doesn't, you can always easily sand it to float again. (Anyone who isn’t exactly sure what Ackley Improved means can learn the details in this earlier blog.) 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Ackley was also a fan of the .280 Rem., but he saw the potential to improve upon the existing case design. Mr. Hankins’ letter included this photo of a 5-shot group measuring what looks to be about 1.5”. And, honestly, many more modern cartridges already exceed this potential performance gain in all calibers. Yes, try AccuBond Long Range bullets. I am in the market to purchase a new hunting rifle and I am stuck on deciding between these two calibers. I’m afraid I don’t have encouraging advice for Mr. Akins because none of these rounds benefits much from the Ackley treatment. Nevertheless, many shooters have ignored his advice, feeling the slight velocity gain with 150-grain bullets makes the 270 A.I. August 2, 2006. She has 700 in a 308 she won't shoot it due to recoild loading 150 and not hot either. Let me know how it goes, and good luck! AI is usually my choice, easier on brass, a little extra velocity. Thin barrels heat quickly and sometimes begin to wander, esp. I’ve been fortunate enough to have shot eight wild, North American sheep and not one was more than 450 yards away. treatment. There’s no need to have to tools with which to hit every legal game animal we see at any distance. It delivers greater velocity than even the gargantuan .270 Weatherby. It's something I had thought on and actually bought a 7mm mark v ultralight in perfect shape used....but before I ever fired it I got an offer for a few hundred more than I paid.. I don’t think the small velocity and accompanying energy increases will make a whit of difference to any game, but that’s just my opinion. That said, there is that Ackley Improved advantage of minimizing case stretching and the need for trimming. rifles still bear his name. An MOA rifle would keep all shots inside a 5” circle at 500. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. Made in the U.S.A. I like the 7mm bullets, but something about another wby to go with my 257 sounds fun. I'm trying the 150g LRAB's BC = .625 in my Accumark this fall. 270 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data; 270 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Mauser (7×57) Load Data; 7mm-08 Remington Load Data; 284 Winchester Load Data; 280 Remington Load Data; 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; … EZ PZ. 308 vs 280 Ackley Improved . I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Hot barrel could start touching one side or another, throwing shots. if not cryo treated to remove stresses. _____ Lynn Last edited by Ridgerunner665 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:57 am, edited 1 time in total. a bit more effective for elk, moose, etc. Ackley reduced the original cartridge’s body taper and changed the shoulder angle to 40 degrees, which allowed for greater case capacity. Not because I think it’s a major step up from the standard 25-06, but because — like many of you — I enjoy experimenting with something different. Do not succumb to peer pressure and buy more gadgets than you need. barrels limits how long the bullets can be. If you reload you can try the new powder Superformance which gives more than excellent velocities out of the 270Win.I have a plain Jane, It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. Discussion Starter • #1 • Nov 26, 2015. Run with the 270 WSM or 270 Wby. Just for kicks and grins. Super B.C. I’ve also had superb results with Berger’s 168-grain VLD Hunting. are already an improvement of the 308 Winchester by way of their smaller diameter bullets with inherently higher Ballistic Coefficients. That might be excuse enough for some to go the A.I. Super B.C. 2 Posts . That the .280 AI can be built on a standard long action with a 30-06/.270 bolt face and magazine box is an added bonus. Fred Huntington had done an earlier version with a 35-degree shoulder, but it is the Ackley version which has been adopted by SAAMI ( Nosler submitted the design for approval), and may be the best of P.O. A 280 AI is still faster then a 280 with superformance, and what if your 280 prints a group your not happy with when testing with super? Peterson Brass 280 Ackley Improved Unprimed Bulk Box of 500 - Graf & Sons This is a Bulk package of Peterson Cartridge casings, they will not come in one of their plastic ammo boxes. FWIW, my Uncle has a 280 Rem (not AI) which he had long- throated like a Weatherby. Try the 6.5 PRC. The .280 Ackley Improved is the author’s all-time favorite cartridge for big-game hunting in the West, and he’s used it successfully on everything from mule deer to elk. Nothing lost but a bit of time. And that may be all the reason anyone needs for going the Ackley Improved route. 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