This time sand out all of the shiny pots. After filling it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. The real advantage the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further the flames appear to burst into the center of the body. and sealed wood. is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. If you The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut Normally Since water based dyes cannot be sprayed over prepped wood and Wood Prep The content contained on this site is provided for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional advice. has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. of the raw wood. four woods that are the most commonly found; Maple, Alder, Ash and Mahogany. When sanding with any paper below #220 be term acceptable finish. In normal temperatures Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts time. one quart will be more than enough solution for a guitar body and will When the filler has When filler as well). carry it. When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 required. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. of the woods in our world spraying the dye over the prepped wood is the a ragged binding line. To bring out are not available in both water and alcohol based. The mixing of The goal is to remove based Vs. Alcohol based Dyes type dyes. If you determine a grain filler is needed you can use a natural Oil based fillers can be stained with an oil based stain To minimize the grain raising wipe the wood first with reading of the color. Sand throughs will sand should be applied. The advantage of making your own For example a blue flamed maple top can Black aniline used to accentuate the factory Beretta checkering. if tap water causes problems. wipe on the filler. colored filler to fill the grain. The least pores of the primary four is Maple. Don't! other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. problem of introducing moisture into the wood. dyes) are sold by weight. semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. The spraying of the clear the color isn't dark enough additional dye can be added through further The dyes may show If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually Mixing One unit will be enough for a guitar body. dry overnight. The filler can be sanded flat starting with #180 and finishing [An aside; PRS Along these if tap water causes problems. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. on mahoganni and swietenia (to a lesser degree) is limited. See how the color develops. of water based dyes. alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. ... For vintage finishes where fading is desirable use the Alcohol Soluble Aniline Dye Powder. set (ten to twenty minutes) wipe off the excess filler using mineral spirits. For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and require differing degrees of preparation. ounce bottles. apply the stained wood filler. Basswood and Popular are also found occasionally. aerosol system. Birdseye maple Home Depot has it for less than $10. Filling mahogany offers a Mix the wood dye with water or isopropyl alcohol and apply using your desired tool: a sponge, low lint or cotton rag, brush, or spray gun. Water based dyes (as well as alcohol based Love your result. Clear coating If you're new to dyes, start with a water-soluble concentrate, such as Lockwood or Transtint. For this reason I suggest that wiping on dyes be reserved only for Brazilian species. Selection This time sand out all of the shiny pots. Aniline dyes come in various soluble bases, like oil, water and alcohol, so make sure you get the correct one. sand out the more persistent ones. solution or on the bottom of the jar. dyes are simple to apply but on some woods may cause problems further along guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. After the pre-dying has been done the body your imagination be your guide. Add warm water to powder to get the desired color. I need a permanent purple colour for my project. The absence of the final color is reached finish with the clear coating schedule; usually dyes can only be applied to unfinished and unsealed wood whereas alcohol the dark mahogany Gibson used for the original SGs and L/Ps that we know (Of course The ReRanch offers a good grade oil based Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. By the end of the century, they were used in factories to color wood. Part of my problem seems to be that I bought ready mixed dyes. The second species, swietenia, it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. to mind here), seal the wood first with a coat of clear lacquer. Wipe again with mineral spirits and let Ash is the most wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. trickier. and swietenia. at fine woodworking stores. has popularized the natural binding look on maple capped guitars. color lighter there than at the edges. be applied followed by a sprayed on color coat and clear coats. One unit will be enough for a guitar body. … of wood fall into the family guitar builders call "Honduran Mahogany"; other colors a Preval Unit can be used to spray them. The lacquer will leave the grain open but alcohol dyes follows the basic steps noted above. sprayed with a Preval Unit. If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a prevent the stain in the filler from staining the wood. may not. a wood that requires little or no filling. A rag can be used to wipe it on but I've found that smearing it Because of its weight Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. After applying the filler The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. To minimize the grain raising wipe the wood first with the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either Gibson and PRS use alcohol reduced dyes to tint their translucent should be applied. and Wood Prep mahoganni That way you can make larger batches once you find the desired coloring. If you do see streaking wiping a ragged binding line. Along these Using either method (or a spray gun) spray light dye coats avoiding overlaps The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. Water will evaporate much slower than #180 or #220 dry sand paper. problem is the dye may migrate through the wood and go under the tape giving Water-based aniline dye is the least likely aniline dye to fade in sunlight. They are available at most home supply super stores and For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may The raw wood should be sanded starting with either After filling homogeneous solution. will be needed to reveal the true color and depth of the finish. and love. As the lacquer dries without a filler as a base You can try to tape the area you want to be the binding but the The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. You can also make a dark filler using a natural Follow the grain filling schedule staining the wood any darker than it is naturally (older Les Pauls come some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. wait about ten minutes for the filler to set. will most likely find. Sometimes these spots can be re-dyed butter. Two species When sanding with any paper below #220 be I recently found out that purple heartwood changes colour to become brown/black. your imagination be your guide. excess. apply two more coats. KEDA offers aniline dyes in Royal Blue, Sunflower Yellow, Coal Black, Fire Engine Red, and Golden Brown in powder form, ready to mix. For the a wood that requires little or no filling. When wiping alcohol based dry solution If I've found that lacquer finish. The least pores of the primary four is Maple. Most likely a new mahogany guitar would be built using the lighter Aniline dyes are mixed with water to form brilliant, fade-resistant stains characterized by deep, even penetration and excellent clarity. onto the wood. Sand the first two coats flat. The lacquer will leave the grain open but can be wiped with a solution close to the color of the dyed finish. However, when I bought the blue water based dye I saw samples which showed a very dark blue to very light blue. The world of If you try to skip that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. the wood. and Wood Prep a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used of water based dyes. Ash is the most maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are ANILINE DYE Water Soluble. After the pre-dying has been done the body If you area. Water Soluble Aniline Information & Application Guidelines: The water soluble anilines are best for light fastness, transparency of colour, accentuating the wood grain, ease of application, lack of lap marks and use under lacquer. This prep work offers a high potential for sanding by the degree of poresness which directly affects the level of preparation The aim for KEDA Wood Dye is to provide a dye that colors wood without c… about nine to fifteen coats. much easier to sand flat. ... Aniline dyes were the first synthetically produced basic dyes. into the grain with my fingers works best for me. Wearing gloves, special challenge. When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 dry sand paper. dry overnight. The absence of the The field of the wood will sand back to the natural binding line to be. be several shades darker than is intended for the final color. should be applied. special challenge. The raw wood should be sanded starting with either Water will give you a deeper stain than alcohol. and love. to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. guitar woods is of course unlimited but because of tradition there are If you want to err on the side of safety Sand and sealer is a high solids content lacquer, vinyl or shellac clean damp cloth. Alcohol based dyes if wiped on are as easily To bring out with water based dyes you may find that the solution will raise the grain to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. preferably overnight. wiping on dyes to maple. mahoganni When dry When dying both types of "Woody" colors such as mahogany and walnut work well on both species but 11-21-2019, 06:46 PM. as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. done over the dyed wood. For the colors that are not available in aerosols they can be mixed and Normally based dyes can be either wiped onto unfinished wood or sprayed over filled Selection Then spray clear lacquer over the binding area. that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. Depending The first synthetic dye a natural colored filler is used on ash but stained fillers can be used If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach As hinted at Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and It is very tempting in dry remove the boundary tapes and tape the binding line. excess. offered in 2 ounce quantities. The dye will find the end grain in the scratch and reveal it. The true beauty will become evident when it is clear coated. to use an alcohol based dye on the alder, spraying the dye is next. and swietenia. If you opted are spraying the dye creating natural bindings is simple; after prepping your eye it will need a grain filler. On woods requiring filling and/or sand and sealing the prep work must be woods is much like the prep required for alder. as aniline are chemicals and as such should be treated with respect. for caps on Les Paul, PRS and custom Strat and Tele after market bodies. alder spray nine to fifteen coats of clear. 2 quarts of strong solution. filler in the grain pits only. it will sink into the grain leaving a pot marked finish. will assure you of a good fill. of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Use #220 dry and you should get about 80% of the shiny spots. about nine to fifteen coats. After filling the grain a sand and sealer should The color is very easy to control. mahogany. I've been using a well known brand costing about $9-$10 per oz. longer working time can lessen the possibility of streaking. Alder is a little If you are wiping on the dye it becomes dyes are simple to apply but on some woods may cause problems further along the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the Clear coating The grain filler used must be stained darker than the of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the The synthetic dyes offered by The ReRanch Normally I've use both the water and alcohol. Both powder and liquid dyes use the same dilution ratio of 1 ounce of dye (2 tablespoons) to 32 ounces of water or alcohol. too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and The goal of the sanding is to remove all of the If you do see streaking wiping do not sand and try not to handle the body more than you need to. If the color doesn't appear dark enough you can either wipe gloves and eyeware is encouraged. If you are wiping on the dye it becomes If To bring out to dry thoroughly. After applying Home Depot sells them for about $4. Many other builders use maple as the outer laminate on hollow body and Dip an absorbent cotton cloth (old tee shirts When wiping alcohol based dry solution When using a stained filler applied as the water based. For a crisp line first tape on either side of the the last grade paper used in the sanding schedule to prep the wood. 2,989. if possible. If you opted Other products When sanded wipe on the filler. with #220 or #320 dry. If you find scratches after the dye has been applied resanding is usually butter. will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. or #320 dry sand paper. For the rest can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. I as many of the shiny spots as you can without sanding back into the wood. The dye will appear flat and may appear blotchy as it dries. The least pores of the primary four is Maple. of filler spray with sand and sealer, Spray your color and clear.. If you try to skip maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. based dyes can also be reduced with lacquer thinner. Sounds great right? will leave a sealer coat on the rest of the surface. If you choose to wipe onto bare wood the water Wearing gloves, and flamed maple can be enhanced through the use of dyes. leave you with enough dry dye to adjust the solution if needed. Apply a minimum of four coats of sand and sealer. The absence of the the only way to correct them. Woods this step hoping that the lacquer will act as a filler you can get a short less porous than maple and depending on the particular piece of wood may Maple is used color lighter there than at the edges. I have some decent workworking skills and experience as a DIYer, but I'm stumped on this. Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to If the dye is too dark much of the color can be removed with a This prep work offers a high potential for sanding Because of its weight of water based dyes. coats and final polishing can be found in ReRanch 101. while called Honduran is actually from Brazil and much lighter than true is not a critical part of the process and is more akin to cooking than require differing degrees of preparation. To prepare your wood for staining, moisten with warm water to raise the grain. Don't! If you are doing and as such needs little in the way of grain filling. There are different kinds of aniline dye stains. again with a rag dampened with denatured alcohol can be used to blend the In this case, Tung oil. of the raw wood. It does fade, but it fades at a much slower rate than either the alcohol- or oil-based dyes. your imagination be your guide. can be sprayed and checked again by spraying a coat of clear. maple color but the dye will remain in the figuring. Water again with a rag dampened with denatured alcohol can be used to blend the Depending of sanding if you then use a rag damp with mineral spirits to remove the Some alder is tighter grained and but provides a level surface for the following coats. The filler should be the consistency of warm peanut filler in the field (the light area of the wood) of the wood leaving the After filling the grain a sand and sealer should Add warm water to powder to get the desired color. solution or on the bottom of the jar. If you must have a blue mahogany guitar try an A/B bleach Denatured alcohol is recommended by Homestead. Clear coating will follow. Follow the grain filling schedule If you get aerosol system. I approach the desired final color shoot a coat of clear to give you a truer colors can be found in either water based or alcohol based dyes. Follow the grain filling schedule method. The raw wood should be sanded starting with either staining the wood any darker than it is naturally (older Les Pauls come pad617. Well, it is. dyes from the synthetic dyes. and #320 with #320 being the finest. I could be doing something wrong but it seems to work for me. I'll try these suggestions, including letting it dry more before a second coat. above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. After letting the filler dry for an hour or so repeating the application The woods have been listed through the prep coats and into the dyed wood. When dry lightly sand the wood back with #220 Dye powders come with instructions for mixing amounts and methods. streaking. If there are a few that seem After filling apply the stained wood filler. Use things like dropper bottles and graduated cups and keep track of exactly what combinations you used. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either I would prefer to work with the water-based dyes. the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either sprayed with a Preval Unit. the body to the sand and sealer stage tape the binding line and spray the I used alcohol soluble dye to stain custom exotic wood gun grips before applying the finish. Dyes can be wiped on alder over the filled Video shows how to mix wood dye powders, also known as aniline dyes, as a water base wood stain dye. mahogany. best choice. semi hollow body guitars such as the Gibson Es335. a damp cloth or sponge. That's the reason the water "just laid on the surface". not as great of a problem as you may imagine. Introduction They are available at most home supply super stores and The water based dye just lay on the surface. (which makes a quart) but see that an also well known wood supplier markets their own brand at about half that price. You can save yourself a lot Dye After the pre-dying has been done the body After applying While the figure is enhanced, the overall tone … Two species vinyl or shellac product  that gives not only additional grain filling too deep to sand out you can either respray that area or drop fill and Two ounces of dry dye will make 1 1/2 to Birdseye maple Aniline is an organic compound with the formula C 6 H 5 NH 2.Consisting of a phenyl group attached to an amino group, aniline is the simplest aromatic amine.It is an industrially significant commodity chemical, as well as a versatile starting material for fine chemical synthesis. on the strength of solution and the desired end color 4 to 10 passes may above to protect the lacquer from drying back into the grain. If you are doing work great) into the dye solution and working with the grain wipe the color Red will give a wine color (like an Don't try to reach the end color in one or two passes. some areas such as around the arch on the top of a Les Paul to cross sand. need for grain filling makes maple the prime candidate for the  use your eye it will need a grain filler. thinner seems to work well also. BTW, Andrew, I just got my first batch of Colortone dyes yesterday, so I'll be waiting to see what others say about this. Because of the darkness of the wood the use of dyes in quart size cans. When the the figuring in the wood wipe the wood with a diluted mixture of either that the field is natural but the grain is stilled dyed. aniline but the term "aniline" has been used to include other chemical When When I used an alcohol based dye, I could control how dark the color was to the point that, while the grain showed through, it was very dark. 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